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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
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		<description>&quot;A-Theism loses the childlike mind that thinks outside of the box, no longer with wonder lays on its back in tall grass looking into the starry universe and feeling an intuition of something larger–something bigger then we can yet understood.&quot;

As an athiest, I have to strongly disagree.  I have never lost my awe and wonder of the world or outside the box thinking.  For me life doesn&#039;t need an ultimate meaning or destination, it just is and I appreciate and value it as it is.  But if pressed for an explanation for &quot;loving and awe inspiring things I sense and feel&quot;, I&#039;d say the logical explanation is energy, brain chemistry, all of these things and more can create love, euphoria, a sense of being at the same time at one with the universe and also such a small part of the whole. That it is &quot;only&quot; chemistry and energy at play doesn&#039;t in any way lessen the magnificence of the experience.  I just don&#039;t call it God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A-Theism loses the childlike mind that thinks outside of the box, no longer with wonder lays on its back in tall grass looking into the starry universe and feeling an intuition of something larger–something bigger then we can yet understood.&#8221;</p>
<p>As an athiest, I have to strongly disagree.  I have never lost my awe and wonder of the world or outside the box thinking.  For me life doesn&#8217;t need an ultimate meaning or destination, it just is and I appreciate and value it as it is.  But if pressed for an explanation for &#8220;loving and awe inspiring things I sense and feel&#8221;, I&#8217;d say the logical explanation is energy, brain chemistry, all of these things and more can create love, euphoria, a sense of being at the same time at one with the universe and also such a small part of the whole. That it is &#8220;only&#8221; chemistry and energy at play doesn&#8217;t in any way lessen the magnificence of the experience.  I just don&#8217;t call it God.</p>
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		<title>By: Norman Van Rooy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norman Van Rooy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 02:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I marvel at a blade of simple grass and past that to the simple molecules that bind it together in nothingness.  It should not exist nor should my mind that reflects on it&#039;s existence.  A scientific approach would ask the question about intelligence and its origins which would include concepts of an indescribable life force that has evolved or exists outside the physical parameters of the limited dimensions we are aware of.  

The concepts brought out by the new string theory posit  the possibility of multitudes of dimensions, spaces, and universes.  What we do not know is a quintillion to the quintillionth power of what exists.

My own quest for truth has cast out many of the demons that plague the doctrines of the Christian teachings I was raised with.  I have little tolerance for proselytizing but have a thirst of what is over the next horizon.  What happens at death? 

Several years ago I produced a documentary film on people who had clinically died, been resuscitated, and who&#039;s lives were dramatically changed by what they experienced during the death process.  All those who I interviewed and others whom I listened to had one thing in common.  There is something which they would call Holy, Glorious, Beautiful and Loving with such overwhelming intelligence and humor that they begged &quot;IT&quot; not to make them have to return back to earthly life.  Somehow they were &quot;willingly&quot; convinced to come back because their life had a purpose and that they needed to finish their work.  

I would recommend a work by Ken Ring called &quot;Heading to Omega.&quot;  Ring carefully examines all aspects of this phenomena without trying to force God on the reader.

One has to examine all aspects of reality including the internal and mystical reports of credible people.  Love does not exist.  It cannot be measured or quantified, but it can be deduced from multitudes of experiencers.  Go beyond non measurable love into the mystical experiences of many who cannot be convinced by any means that their experience of this &quot;IT&quot; or &quot;God&quot; is not real.  Unfortunately the religions have corrupted the primal experience and it is rare to find a few to rise above religion to its true essence. 

When one sees a person transfigured from fearful bitterness to outgoing love one can deduce by the measurable behavior that the story of this change has crediblitlity.  Perhaps it doesn&#039;t fit neatly into a test tube but it gives room for thought.  A-Theism loses the childlike mind that thinks outside of the box, no longer with wonder lays on its back in tall grass looking into the starry universe and feeling an intuition of something larger--something bigger then we can yet understood.  Not logic only but deep feelings of awe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I marvel at a blade of simple grass and past that to the simple molecules that bind it together in nothingness.  It should not exist nor should my mind that reflects on it&#8217;s existence.  A scientific approach would ask the question about intelligence and its origins which would include concepts of an indescribable life force that has evolved or exists outside the physical parameters of the limited dimensions we are aware of.  </p>
<p>The concepts brought out by the new string theory posit  the possibility of multitudes of dimensions, spaces, and universes.  What we do not know is a quintillion to the quintillionth power of what exists.</p>
<p>My own quest for truth has cast out many of the demons that plague the doctrines of the Christian teachings I was raised with.  I have little tolerance for proselytizing but have a thirst of what is over the next horizon.  What happens at death? </p>
<p>Several years ago I produced a documentary film on people who had clinically died, been resuscitated, and who&#8217;s lives were dramatically changed by what they experienced during the death process.  All those who I interviewed and others whom I listened to had one thing in common.  There is something which they would call Holy, Glorious, Beautiful and Loving with such overwhelming intelligence and humor that they begged &#8220;IT&#8221; not to make them have to return back to earthly life.  Somehow they were &#8220;willingly&#8221; convinced to come back because their life had a purpose and that they needed to finish their work.  </p>
<p>I would recommend a work by Ken Ring called &#8220;Heading to Omega.&#8221;  Ring carefully examines all aspects of this phenomena without trying to force God on the reader.</p>
<p>One has to examine all aspects of reality including the internal and mystical reports of credible people.  Love does not exist.  It cannot be measured or quantified, but it can be deduced from multitudes of experiencers.  Go beyond non measurable love into the mystical experiences of many who cannot be convinced by any means that their experience of this &#8220;IT&#8221; or &#8220;God&#8221; is not real.  Unfortunately the religions have corrupted the primal experience and it is rare to find a few to rise above religion to its true essence. </p>
<p>When one sees a person transfigured from fearful bitterness to outgoing love one can deduce by the measurable behavior that the story of this change has crediblitlity.  Perhaps it doesn&#8217;t fit neatly into a test tube but it gives room for thought.  A-Theism loses the childlike mind that thinks outside of the box, no longer with wonder lays on its back in tall grass looking into the starry universe and feeling an intuition of something larger&#8211;something bigger then we can yet understood.  Not logic only but deep feelings of awe.</p>
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		<title>By: webmaster</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 06:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re. stories, y&#039;all might enjoy this one: http://www.beginningwithi.com/aboutme/bible_stories.htm

Also, I had brought back from a trip to India some of the Indian comics I love, featuring Hindu gods and goddesses in the classic myths, somewhat like superheroes. It&#039;s great fun to see someone with four arms and her tongue hanging out discussing strategy with a blue guy holding a trident...

Ross decided from these that her favorite god was Ganesh.</description>
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<p>Also, I had brought back from a trip to India some of the Indian comics I love, featuring Hindu gods and goddesses in the classic myths, somewhat like superheroes. It&#8217;s great fun to see someone with four arms and her tongue hanging out discussing strategy with a blue guy holding a trident&#8230;</p>
<p>Ross decided from these that her favorite god was Ganesh.</p>
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		<title>By: Christina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 03:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also I&#039;m trying to educate them (stories) for now about the ancient gods of Rome, Greece, Egypt, India... That sets things into perspective, I think. And I introduce as much science and paleontology(sp?)/archeology as feasible and interesting at this age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also I&#8217;m trying to educate them (stories) for now about the ancient gods of Rome, Greece, Egypt, India&#8230; That sets things into perspective, I think. And I introduce as much science and paleontology(sp?)/archeology as feasible and interesting at this age.</p>
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		<title>By: Christina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 03:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats on having a great daugther, Deidre.
I was raised without religion. Religious people were a strange minority. Nice, but silly. Mostly older people. The young ones would sing around candle light and oppose the military(draft). Now I&#039;m in the US and things are the other way around. The religious ones are the majority and they are in favor of death penalty and war! Very confusing. Anyway. I started telling my kids (4 and 6) when they started a discussion among themselves (they are going to a Christian after-school care, I didn&#039;t have a choice) whether god was dead or not (confusion between god and jesus): There is no god, people just made up gods through the ages for comfort etc. Meanwhile I did some reading (Parenting beyond belief) and thinking, and I decided if I force them into non-belief, they could be seduced in anything other as well. So I encourage critical thinking now. Just asking questions. &quot;Do you think Santa is real? How do you think this or that works. What has been your experience so far? Etc.&quot; I will not be upset for them if they join a religion. I will be upset if they don&#039;t think, but just follow blindly. Of course I will be happy if they come to similar conclusions as me, because that&#039;s what make sense to me...

Please don&#039;t pray for me, do something useful instead:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats on having a great daugther, Deidre.<br />
I was raised without religion. Religious people were a strange minority. Nice, but silly. Mostly older people. The young ones would sing around candle light and oppose the military(draft). Now I&#8217;m in the US and things are the other way around. The religious ones are the majority and they are in favor of death penalty and war! Very confusing. Anyway. I started telling my kids (4 and 6) when they started a discussion among themselves (they are going to a Christian after-school care, I didn&#8217;t have a choice) whether god was dead or not (confusion between god and jesus): There is no god, people just made up gods through the ages for comfort etc. Meanwhile I did some reading (Parenting beyond belief) and thinking, and I decided if I force them into non-belief, they could be seduced in anything other as well. So I encourage critical thinking now. Just asking questions. &#8220;Do you think Santa is real? How do you think this or that works. What has been your experience so far? Etc.&#8221; I will not be upset for them if they join a religion. I will be upset if they don&#8217;t think, but just follow blindly. Of course I will be happy if they come to similar conclusions as me, because that&#8217;s what make sense to me&#8230;</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t pray for me, do something useful instead:)</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Freeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 00:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;there darndest&quot;?  Sorry ... I was so concerned about how to spell darndest, or if it would be considered poor taste, or whatever, that I ended out illiterate.  Their.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;there darndest&#8221;?  Sorry &#8230; I was so concerned about how to spell darndest, or if it would be considered poor taste, or whatever, that I ended out illiterate.  Their.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Freeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 00:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps it&#039;s true that a child brought up in a non-religious household is less likely to be religious, but ... so what?  I think that non-tolerant people are sort of sad, too.  Deal with the fact that the differences between various people and cultures is absolutely huge, you&#039;ll live a happier life.

Of course, I have a lot of work to do on that, I&#039;m not very tolerant of religious people doing there darndest to change the world to how they think, even though that&#039;s just the way things work in our world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s true that a child brought up in a non-religious household is less likely to be religious, but &#8230; so what?  I think that non-tolerant people are sort of sad, too.  Deal with the fact that the differences between various people and cultures is absolutely huge, you&#8217;ll live a happier life.</p>
<p>Of course, I have a lot of work to do on that, I&#8217;m not very tolerant of religious people doing there darndest to change the world to how they think, even though that&#8217;s just the way things work in our world.</p>
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		<title>By: majorch</title>
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		<dc:creator>majorch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 12:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I truly feel sorry for you, your husband , and your daughter.  I don&#039;t usually say the following , because it can sound condescending, but, in all sincerity, I say - I&#039;ll pray for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I truly feel sorry for you, your husband , and your daughter.  I don&#8217;t usually say the following , because it can sound condescending, but, in all sincerity, I say &#8211; I&#8217;ll pray for you.</p>
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		<title>By: vangie</title>
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		<dc:creator>vangie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 05:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that religions are basically a set of traditions, and traditions vary tremendously the world over without necessarily being &quot;right&quot; or &quot;wrong&quot; or &quot;better&quot; or &quot;worse&quot;.  

In my experience, traditions get in the way of both reason and spirituality.  I live in what is known as the &quot;Bible Belt&quot;, and am amazed at how my intelligent, educated coworkers (all classically trained scientists) will abdicate their responsibility for rational thought when an issue is brought up that their church has a position on.  

For me, the &quot;Golden Rule&quot; is at the heart of living well with others:  treat others as you would like to be treated.  No religion necessary, thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that religions are basically a set of traditions, and traditions vary tremendously the world over without necessarily being &#8220;right&#8221; or &#8220;wrong&#8221; or &#8220;better&#8221; or &#8220;worse&#8221;.  </p>
<p>In my experience, traditions get in the way of both reason and spirituality.  I live in what is known as the &#8220;Bible Belt&#8221;, and am amazed at how my intelligent, educated coworkers (all classically trained scientists) will abdicate their responsibility for rational thought when an issue is brought up that their church has a position on.  </p>
<p>For me, the &#8220;Golden Rule&#8221; is at the heart of living well with others:  treat others as you would like to be treated.  No religion necessary, thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Rupert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rupert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 13:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.  Not that you&#039;ll persuade your reader.  You only have to watch the questions after one of Dawkins&#039; public appearances on Youtube to know how uninterested most people are in logical or rational arguments.  I was raised by Christian parents, went to church every Sunday - and went to a Christian boarding school from the age of 7, where we attended chapel twice a day.
But my parents were very keen that I should think for myself, and persuaded me not to get Confirmed at 13 like my friends, so that I could make up my own mind later on.  And when I was about 15 or 16, after I had a qualification in Religious Education, I applied independent thought and critical thinking to the idea of God, and realised that there was no evidence or reasonable justification for believing in invisible friends, other than for comfort.  So I came out as an atheist.  
Not believing in God is a choice, not a belief or a default indoctrinated position.  Intelligence and reason and questioning instead of a comforting blind belief in something for which there is nothing but contradictory evidence.  No wonder you&#039;re, um, &#039;prideful&#039; of her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.  Not that you&#8217;ll persuade your reader.  You only have to watch the questions after one of Dawkins&#8217; public appearances on Youtube to know how uninterested most people are in logical or rational arguments.  I was raised by Christian parents, went to church every Sunday &#8211; and went to a Christian boarding school from the age of 7, where we attended chapel twice a day.<br />
But my parents were very keen that I should think for myself, and persuaded me not to get Confirmed at 13 like my friends, so that I could make up my own mind later on.  And when I was about 15 or 16, after I had a qualification in Religious Education, I applied independent thought and critical thinking to the idea of God, and realised that there was no evidence or reasonable justification for believing in invisible friends, other than for comfort.  So I came out as an atheist.<br />
Not believing in God is a choice, not a belief or a default indoctrinated position.  Intelligence and reason and questioning instead of a comforting blind belief in something for which there is nothing but contradictory evidence.  No wonder you&#8217;re, um, &#8216;prideful&#8217; of her.</p>
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