SxSWi: Is Privacy Dead, or Just Very Confused?

I attended this session because : danah boyd (one of my heroes) and Judith Donath of MIT Media Lab and Harvard’s Berkman Center (whom I happen to know personally) were speaking.

Also on the panel (and interesting in their own right):

  • Siva Vaidyanathan (author of the forthcoming “The Googleization of Everything”), who said (among other things) that privacy is not the opposite of publicity. Privacy is not a substance. It means different things in different contexts.
  • Alice Marwick, doing her dissertation on the Effect of Social Media on Social Status

What follows is a transcription of my notes, with [my own thoughts and comments].

CEOs these days expect their staff to be familiar with social technology. [Yay! I can haz job!]

There is social value to online relationships – people get real emotional support online.

But the information we put online is valuable to marketers.

[D here: So what? I just wish they’d make it valuable to me. Personally, I would be happy to see advertising that I’m actually interested in.

Take car advertising. How often does any of us buy a car? Yet it seems that every other ad on TV or at the movies is for a car. I’d like to know which is larger: the number of cars sold in the US each year, or the number of car ads shown? For most people, buying a car is a relatively rare event. Much of that advertising must be a waste of car companies’ money, and it’s certainly a waste of my time and attention, which I resent.

I was intensely interested in information about cars for a few weeks last summer, and again this March when I was buying a first car for my daughter. For myself, I ended up leasing a Toyota Rav4. I knew I liked this car because I had driven it as a rental for several weeks, but I didn’t feel comfortable with the sticker price. Then I discovered (on the Toyota website) a great lease deal that I qualified for, so I was able to get my dream car. I only test-drove one other (a used Hyundai SUV). No doubt the fact that the Rav4 was available as a rental at that time and place was part of a marketing effort – in my case, a very effective one.

For Ross, I did a lot more research, entirely online, for a good “starter” car that would last a while. She drove only one model – the Honda Fit – and that’s what she now owns (or rather, what the bank owns and I’m now paying for). A key selling point was Consumer Reports’ safety rating on this model (a big concern for me as the mother of a new driver).

If I’ve ever noticed either of these cars advertised in print or media, I don’t remember it. I do remember examples of advertising that had a negative impact on me, e.g. the painfully obvious product placement of Lexus in Desperate Housewives and Fiat in Montalbano.

So all the money spent showing me car ads was wasted. As Judith Donath said, there should be rewards for accurate targeting. In fact, there would be: I would buy!]

Judith Donath is interested in visualization of online identity/history.

Is online identity meaningful? You have different public faces for different spheres. We try to maintain control of our various public personas, but the web is causing the collapse of personalities.

[Which is to say: It’s hard to be one kind of person in your private life and a very different kind of person in your professional life, if much of both is viewable online. Coincidentally, a woman at another session I attended described trying to juggle two identities in Second Life. She said: “I’m trying to live two lives. And it’s killing me!”

I guess I’ve been lucky that I’ve always been myself, online and off. ]

It’s hard to know how others see you. We need technology to show us a mirror of the trails we have left behind (an area of research interest for Judith right now).

SV: There was a movement towards privacy in the mid-70s which resulted in current laws, e.g., no branch of government can share information about you with any other branch.

danah boyd: Young people see privacy differently. They do not see their homes as private spaces because they do not have control there – their parents can invade their rooms at any time.

Young people are also very aware of the role of power imbalances in privacy, and they find ways to trick the system.

“Because she puts so many things online, people think that’s all that’s going on.” [Now there’s a topic I could write reams on. But not today.]

SV: personal information is a currency.

JD: Time is also a context.

Discussion on health insurance, privacy and employability [ a topic I’ve written about myself].

Privacy and personal presentations of the self:

Privacy is a historically recent concept. People used to live in small tribes/communities in which everyone knew everyone else’s business.

[Me again: If you’ve ever lived in a small town, you know exactly what this is like.

It seems to me that the solution is simply not to do anything that you would be ashamed to have held up to public scrutiny. Obviously, this requires a society in which very little is grounds for shame. And this may be exactly what is happening in America. As Judith said: “We are creating what may be the most open and accepting society [in history] because we can see so much [online] about people’s divergent behaviors.”

The film “Milk” portrays how (some) young gay people living in middle America in the 1970s saw Harvey Milk – an openly gay man – on the news, and realized that they could go and be themselves in larger cities that had gay communities. For that to happen, Milk had to make enough of a stir to appear in the national news, and perhaps he died for it. Nowadays, all sorts of “differences” can be researched online, and anyone can find kindred spirits and support. (Yes, there are some cases in which this is worrying.)]

JD: In a society of millions of people trying to keep up with what their norms are, that’s the function of celebrity: to give us a basis for comparison/discussion. [D: I find this idea frightening. Paris Hilton and Britney Spears as social norms?]

We want people to pay attention to us. What is the value of that?

Gallery: Santa Maria del Tiglio, Gravedona

While visiting friends on the other side of Lake Como, we stopped by the lakeside town of Gravedona and visited the cemetery and  the medieval church of St. Maria del Tiglio (St. Mary of the Linden Tree).

As you can see, family vaults are kept over generations and centuries, and are well maintained. This is possible in a culture where families simply don’t move around much. When families have moved away from their roots, people will sometimes travel on November 1st (Ognissanti – All Saints’) to spruce up their family graves elsewhere in Italy. Religious organizations hang around the cemeteries that day to sell pre-printed tags that you can hang on your family vault to show you’ve been there (in case your dead ancestors didn’t notice?), and florists – who tend to cluster around cemeteries – do a booming business as well.

SxSWi Report – Social Media: Connecting with Customers

Note: This was listed in the catalog as “Social Media: If You Liked it, Then You Should Have Put a Digg on It…”, which I wouldn’t have bothered to attend, but when I walked by the room the title had changed to “Social Media: Connecting with Customers”, which was a lot more obviously interesting to me. This was also one of the few panels that didn’t seem to treat large corporations (and those of us who work for them) as the enemy.

Panel:

  • Chris Bowler – VP Social Media Lead, Razorfish (moderator)
  • Jordan Corredera -  Director of Online Marketing, Carnival Cruise Lines
  • Paula Drum – VP Digital Marketing, H&R Block
  • Malini Ratnam – Digital Media Mgr, Avenue A/Razorfish/JCPenney

First, each panelist gave an overview on what their company is doing in social media (comments on the companies themselves are partly my own, for the benefit of non-US readers who may not be familiar with these companies):

H&R Block

Well-known in the US as a tax preparation service, H&R Block’s problem is that their business is extremely seasonal, running from January (they kick off their advertising season with the SuperBowl) through Tax Day on April 15th. They are trying to use social media to stay in the public consciousness year-round. The overall theme is customer connections to build lifelong relationships.

Tactics include:

  • a tax news widget for tax professionals
  • YouTube contests
  • online community
  • tax-themed content related to other times of year, e.g. back to school, company benefits enrollment periods
  • provide customer service via Twitter and Yahoo Answers
  • helping tax professionals participate in these programs as well
  • along with the Social Media Club, have organized/participated in Tweetups in 10 cities

JC Penney

Penney is a very old retail company, and is trying to overcome a rather musty reputation with younger shoppers: “Trying not to be ‘your mother’s store’.” They have chosen to actively participate in women’s online communities.

Their first big project is the extremely funny “doghouse” video (which I had seen long before this conference, though I had probably forgotten that it was done by JC Penney):

At the time it had had 4.1 million views with a 60% completion rate, resulting in 600 (new) Twitter followers and 1100 tweets/retweets. It was initially seeded from a Penney microsite using Facebook Connect. Traffic crashed the server and led to higher fees. Offloaded the traffic to YouTube.

They’ve also set up a Facebook group targeted to women, after finding that segmentation by Penney sub-brands did not work. And they’ve got a customer service Twitter account.

Someone asked what was the ROI on the doghouse video campaign. The answer was that brand awareness, not ROI, was the objective; a hard sell would not have been as successful.

Carnival Cruise Lines

In 2005, Carnival set up a group planning tool built on Community Server. The Cruise Talk forum there grew to 500 posts/day, and was followed by a “scrapblog” and a Twitter account with 1300 followers.

Then came a blog by John Heald, a cruise director, which has become immensely popular, as measured by 100 comments a day [visitor stats were not given].This has grown into a multimedia extravaganza including live chats, videos (quality was an issue), etc. Cruising is inherently social, so this has worked well.

[D here: This is an example of how effective social media marketing can be when tied to a real personality. You can also build community around that person: Heald fans want to talk to each other, there are now even Heald-themed fan cruises.]

Then the moderator asked questions:

How do you set up your organization to participate in social media?

H&R Block: You have to figure out where does this fit. Customer service, communications, marketing, field coordination…? The company isn’t yet on board, we’re still in a skunkworks phase. We’re trading off media dollars with human capital – we have only one person for Twitter, which is a 24/7 job. [But she said later that some resources are being shifted to social media.]

Also, the Federal Trade Commission is changing the legislation about blogging [as relates to professional tax preparers]. We’re still figuring out how to train people, what legal disclosures are needed. Ideally, we’d like tax preparers to be blogging. Education and support are difficult. People need to understand that it’s okay to have your own personality.

JC Penney: Similar situation, we have no dedicated social media team. [Some problem of] brick and mortar stores vs. jcpenney.com. Facebook took off for us when it became a two-way conversation, but that takes dedicated staff.

Carnival: We have an online community manager with two moderators and a social media strategist. Not seeing any particular efficiences from online yet.

How can we measure the results of social media?

Page views, links to transactions.

How does this tie back to brand? How do we make the brand relevant to the new generation?

Word of mouth as brand tracker, but it moves over multiple years.

ROI = Risk of Ignoring

creating spheres of influence, measuring awareness

Traditional ROI isn’t the be-all and end-all – Twitter is free! [except for staff time]

Use Radiant6 to monitor buzz.

Facebook charges $300k for a brand page – Carnival elected not to spend this. Buying a YouTube channel can cost $500k plus media costs.

But you can get started for free.

If you’re going to lead social media [teams], you have to be doing it yourself.

Content creation is expensive.

How might employee culture affect the use of social media in older companies?

An interesting question, but, frustratingly, I didn’t note the answers. Maybe there weren’t any.

D’s Conclusions

A good and useful session, one of the few at SxSWi to address the needs of large companies and their employees.

I was very frustrated that Sun was not speaking on this panel, as we have one hell of a story to tell in this space.

And, even absent Sun’s support infrastructure for blogs, wikis, and video, I could have told them that there are cheaper ways to do this stuff than what Facebook and YouTube are charging for branded offerings.

The Twitter Diaries: 2009-05-03: CO

  • @plasticbagUK iphone games a great antidotevto flight boredom #
  • swine flu being overplayed in world media? Friend of Ross afraid to visit from Italy #
  • my mental health is better when I stay away from the news. I think the media is too reactive to its own feedback loops #
  • if Enrico wasn’t leaving tomorrow, I might kill him. But I’m also very sad that he’s leaving tomorrow. #
  • @ingenthr saw a headline: “Merger advice: work hard, toot your horn.” Which kinda falls into the “well, duh” category, but true… in reply to ingenthr #
  • dammit, I did NOT order snow #
  • just registered for CommunityOne http://tinyurl.com/dxt25q – see you there! #
  • if swine flu = bad flu followed by bronchitis or pneumonia, several people I know have already had it this winter. And survived. #
  • @jowyang is there that much social media experience to be found in corporations? in reply to jowyang #
  • selling a house is an enormous PITA, esp when it’s not even my house and all I stand to gain is suddenly being forced to move somewhere else #
  • wishing spring would get here, I’m ordering prints of photos I took of the flowers in my Italian garden #
  • just posted “Video: Shooting Presentations” http://tinyurl.com/c7wq4a #
  • @dfugate please tell me more about this media analysis. Sounds like something I could use. in reply to dfugate #
  • @steveswrong Ryanair boss makes famously offensive pronouncements and revels in the PR. #swineflu in reply to steveswrong #
  • testing video subtitles, not sure it’s working consistently. If you’ve got a minute, have a look at http://blogs.sun.com/video/entry/test2 #
  • @dfugate hmm. it’d be interesting to do that exercise on some of my stuff and see how it compares in reply to dfugate #
  • LinkedIn’s categories – # Colleague, # Colleague, # Colleague, # Colleague – are far from covering every situation. #
  • @SteveEdiger thanks, good to confirm that it’s not just me in reply to SteveEdiger #
  • @davewiner OMG I just died and went to heaven: Hugh Jackman is on Twitter. (Actually, heaven would involve being rather closer than Twitter) in reply to davewiner #
  • @timfoster if it’s a matter of funding… or is it time? in reply to timfoster #
  • hats already worn this morning: video producer/directory, event manager, OGB secretary, and mom/counsellor. I can has nap now? #
  • @sumaya hell no, in fact scheduling more travel #SwineFlu in reply to sumaya #
  • an exciting view of BRM courtyard. Watch closely, you might see a bunny (Broadcasting live at http://ustre.am/2Nba) #
  • is this thing on? http://tinyurl.com/cth26p #
  • @sumaya should I be worried that haven’t heard of most of those Twitter matrix people? in reply to sumaya #
  • @rosso congrats on the new digs. Wherebouts? in reply to rosso #
  • @davest <wince> I hope it’s not malaria, that’s serious stuff in reply to davest #
  • @randybias no in reply to randybias #
  • maybe I should seek a job doing social media for Fiat’s push into the US. I’m uniquely qualified for it. #
  • how much time every day do I waste typing logins & passwords? there’s got to be a better way #
  • @elliottkember not a Cray, but you might be able to make use of http://www.tacc.utexas.edu/ in reply to elliottkember #
  • @davest good luck. Wouldn’t want you having anything serious. Swine flu is a walk in the park compared to malaria. in reply to davest #
  • a president who can pronounce “Pakistan” correctly – wow! #
  • … and journalists who can’t pronounce Iraq. It’s not eye-RACK, people!! #
  • @jowyang yeah, I’ve been having trouble with Tweetdeck, too in reply to jowyang #
  • @webmink have no fear, Fox News will get there… in reply to webmink #
  • we all want the universe to validate our choices. I’d settle for not having to EXPLAIN mine over and over. #
  • I still fail to understand how “swine” flu is different from/worse than what several colleagues have already had this winter. #
  • thought I was going to use Tweetie to manage the OGB account, but it now refuses to authorize even one user. Boh. #
  • travel nailed down for next week’s trip to MPK, arrive early early Wednesday, leave late Thursday, to film the Crossbow team. #
  • @MissExpatria probably funny, I like Amanpour, but I watch little TV and almost no ads in reply to MissExpatria #
  • @davewiner stay off the subways = many more cars on the street = global warming. We can’t win for losing. in reply to davewiner #
  • …to say nothing of his effect on women’s equality: http://tinyurl.com/cq36bd #
  • unresolved conflict hangs over me like a personal thundercloud. Gets old. #
  • met with speakers in the “Managing OpenSolaris” track at C1, to smooth edges, prevent overlaps, find synergies. Looking good! #
  • @jowyang but, as I’ve said before: on Twitter, we don’t HAVE to listen to the marketers and celebrities. Unless we want to. in reply to jowyang #
  • At CO Women’s Chamber of Commerce awards of dinner. Ball gowns surprised me. #
  • I admire about Americans that they are not afraid to try anything #
  • @robinbloor re. Fox news – can we hope that they’re the first to go? #swineflu in reply to robinbloor #
  • my usually quiet Friday is suddenly full of meetings. One is 2.5 hours. How do execs have the stamina? #
  • If big media have nothing better to do than report on who walks the president’s goddamned DOG, they DESERVE to lose their jobs. #
  • why does the MacBook Air download (FTP) 60x faster than the Pro? same office, same network, same server. what am I missing? #
  • @shawnferry figured out it was SFTP vs http://FTP. Don’t even know what SFTP means (apparently “Slow FTP”), let alone how I managed to set it. in reply to shawnferry #
  • @davewiner of course the UI in the Twitter movie will look nothing like real-life Twitter in reply to davewiner #
  • @Elskede layover in what airport? in reply to Elskede #
  • want a Twitter feature to filter out sports. Love you all, but really, really DON’T care about any of that stuff. #
  • @KathySierra we had a horse that was a meta-thinker: “Do I actually care about being on the other side of the jump? No. You go. Without me.” #
  • @sumaya I’ve been saying for years that I want a “filter out Michael Jackson, Paris Hilton, etc.” option in Google News. Nothing yet. in reply to sumaya #
  • @KathySierra https://www.beginningwithi.com/aboutme/rosshamish.htm in reply to KathySierra #
  • RT: Vote for @Silona’s idea on @citability http://is.gd/vxii – it just makes sense #
  • entering contributor grants for OpenSolaris communities. Now I remember how much I dislike CLIs.No, I am not an uber-geek. #
  • at least I already know how to use Bugzilla #
  • @jeffreytaylor there’s never any harm in a sincere compliment, and often a lot of good. in reply to jeffreytaylor #
  • @ckoontz I was fine doing all video editing in Windows XP/Vista w/ $99 Roxio VideoWave. Only switched to fit in with Sun colleagues in reply to ckoontz #
  • @davest That was fun. So far no one has taken me up on suggestion of Bollywood dance instruction for C1 this year. Damn. in reply to davest #
  • @jeffreytaylor ooh, can I come have breakfast at your house? #waronfrenchpastry in reply to jeffreytaylor #
  • @sumaya would be nice to share ideas with similar activites we’re doing for C1 OpenSolaris in reply to sumaya #
  • @hemantmehta go for broke! Do them all at once (I recommend the bathtub if that includes sleeping) in reply to hemantmehta #
  • @jeffreytaylor FYI will be back on SFO May 29-Jun 4 for conferences, Enrico in tow. fwing wkd we’ll go to Santa Cruz or something in reply to jeffreytaylor #
  • @sumaya yes, love to if I can. pls email details #CommunityOne in reply to sumaya #
  • ooh, Woodstock alum (staff) has a new website: http://vancegeorge.com/ #
  • I’ve been asked to talk to colleagues about social media next week. Have a feeling half the session will end up being about Twitter #
  • @avinashkaushik I used to have pet goats in Bangladesh. When they escaped into the garden, they ate the flowers, but not the vegetables. in reply to avinashkaushik #
  • real estate agent, claiming to practice Feng Shui, moved the sofa perpendicular to the TV. And I’m supposed to watch TV how? #
  • @lskrocki she left the TV, just made it exercise to watch it – have to move the friggin’ sofa! in reply to lskrocki #
  • @plasticbagUK you must be in the wrong hotel. The one where I stayed in Bangalore had breakfast of at least four different nations in reply to plasticbagUK #
  • Freedom House classifies Italy as only “partly free” (in terms of press/media) Repubblica.it (in Italian) http://bit.ly/UX2sC #
  • @ElaineEllis I’m kinda baffled by the insistence of most American women upon changing their names on marriage http://bit.ly/mJWAP in reply to ElaineEllis #
  • @DavidHowell actually, sushi is amazingly good with french fries in reply to DavidHowell #
  • @DavidHowell accidental discovery due to proximity of sushi bar & coffee shop in a hotel, colleague who doesn’t like fish ordered a burger in reply to DavidHowell #
  • @DavidHowell the sushi crowd ate all his fries and ordered more. It was amazing. Tempura doesn’t do it. in reply to DavidHowell #
  • re. Dollhouse, remember: Joss is always going to f*ck with you. Always. #
  • interesting week on Twitter. An orca sends me a hat, and I’m comparing notes with a dog about goats. And let’s not forget the blue whale #
  • Saturday morning writing fever. I do enjoy this. Time to go eat breakfast and let the article rest a bit. #
  • better late than never: “SxSWi Report: Designing for the Wisdom of Crowds” http://bit.ly/SMjIL #
  • ps http://bit.ly/SMjIL contains some thoughts of my own on how video helps build community #
  • @SteveEdiger Powazek wasn’t my video, SxSWi do their own. I’m puzzled that they didn’t put the slides in (as I would have) – you need both! in reply to SteveEdiger #
  • NSFW LOL (via Picture is Unrelated): http://tinyurl.com/dgnx3x #
  • Hmm. Never knew Japan’s caste system was based on the same uncleannes-of-death prejudices as India’s http://bit.ly/UAgUf #
  • @amandachapel “#SOBCon FYI… Social Media represents < .5% of all marketing spend.” #SOBCon – partly bucz excluding salaries, it’s cheap! in reply to amandachapel #
  • Down To Business: Are Execs Twittering Their Time Away? — Social Networking — InformationWeek http://bit.ly/GO29S #
  • @davest shes’ got your lovely, generous smile in reply to davest #
  • Denver/Boulder area tweeps: looking for a sylist who’s good with short, fine hair – and coloring it pink, of course! #
  • @Cdash re waking up to watch him run – if that’s not devotion, I don’t know what is! in reply to Cdash #
  • RT @jeffreytaylor: Never ceases to make me chuckle. http://twurl.nl/cnlmmj – “Maude” was an early influence on me (does it show?) #
  • @timbray so much Chrstian iconography & myth is about torture, maybe people get inured to it? in reply to timbray #

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